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		<title>By: forkboy1965</title>
		<link>http://fotdmike.com/2008/02/11/a-beginners-thoughts-on-post-processing/#comment-61</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fotdmike</title>
		<link>http://fotdmike.com/2008/02/11/a-beginners-thoughts-on-post-processing/#comment-40</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, that bit about photography as art is well put. I can begin to see a bit of shape emerging from my rather confused/ambivalent thoughts on this, and I suspect my real problem has been that I&#039;ve never really had either of the two disciplines clearly defined in my own mind (which is a bit odd really, considering I come from a sort of &quot;arty&quot; type background).
But I like that bit about photography capturing information whereas art captures/conveys a mood etc. It may not be a perfect distinction, but its a damn good starting point and, now I come to think of it, it does sort of tie in with unthought-through assumptions of mine.

Hmm... I sense that art/photography post I want to do is definitely getting closer. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, that bit about photography as art is well put. I can begin to see a bit of shape emerging from my rather confused/ambivalent thoughts on this, and I suspect my real problem has been that I&#8217;ve never really had either of the two disciplines clearly defined in my own mind (which is a bit odd really, considering I come from a sort of &#8220;arty&#8221; type background).<br />
But I like that bit about photography capturing information whereas art captures/conveys a mood etc. It may not be a perfect distinction, but its a damn good starting point and, now I come to think of it, it does sort of tie in with unthought-through assumptions of mine.</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; I sense that art/photography post I want to do is definitely getting closer. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: forkboy1965</title>
		<link>http://fotdmike.com/2008/02/11/a-beginners-thoughts-on-post-processing/#comment-34</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, but you did say all of that.  Well, most of that.  I simply expanded upon your original premise with my own take upon matters.  Clearly great minds think alike.  

I confess that I have actually done little to nothing to my pictures taken in the past with my digital point-and-shoot cameras (Canons A95 &amp; A630).  First, there is only so much you can do to a jpg file in the first place, but more importantly I have simply been capturing a moment for posterity.  Most of my pictures are of family, friends and the pets (which I photograph the most - as you can see by my new header - that&#039;s Maggie) and as I&#039;m simply recording for posterity the overall quality of any given picture isn&#039;t too important.  It&#039;s the captured memory that is important.

That said, I fully intend to continue to take pictures of the same with my Canon 40D in hopes that I will get better pictures primarily thanks to the much faster response of the camera to the pressing of the shutter release.  I&#039;ve missed so many opportunities because the point-and-shoot cameras are so much slower to actually &#039;snap&#039; the picture.  However, I also intend to start photographing new things in an attempt to be artful, if you will, with photography.  

I wonder if we haven&#039;t much thought of photography as art because we consider pictures to be snapshots of a moment in time?  We think of them as being meant to capture information (a birthday party, the cat playing with a toy, etc.) as opposed to capturing a mood, or better put, conveying a mood or event.  Or am I even making sense?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but you did say all of that.  Well, most of that.  I simply expanded upon your original premise with my own take upon matters.  Clearly great minds think alike.  </p>
<p>I confess that I have actually done little to nothing to my pictures taken in the past with my digital point-and-shoot cameras (Canons A95 &amp; A630).  First, there is only so much you can do to a jpg file in the first place, but more importantly I have simply been capturing a moment for posterity.  Most of my pictures are of family, friends and the pets (which I photograph the most &#8211; as you can see by my new header &#8211; that&#8217;s Maggie) and as I&#8217;m simply recording for posterity the overall quality of any given picture isn&#8217;t too important.  It&#8217;s the captured memory that is important.</p>
<p>That said, I fully intend to continue to take pictures of the same with my Canon 40D in hopes that I will get better pictures primarily thanks to the much faster response of the camera to the pressing of the shutter release.  I&#8217;ve missed so many opportunities because the point-and-shoot cameras are so much slower to actually &#8216;snap&#8217; the picture.  However, I also intend to start photographing new things in an attempt to be artful, if you will, with photography.  </p>
<p>I wonder if we haven&#8217;t much thought of photography as art because we consider pictures to be snapshots of a moment in time?  We think of them as being meant to capture information (a birthday party, the cat playing with a toy, etc.) as opposed to capturing a mood, or better put, conveying a mood or event.  Or am I even making sense?</p>
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		<title>By: fotdmike</title>
		<link>http://fotdmike.com/2008/02/11/a-beginners-thoughts-on-post-processing/#comment-29</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn, I wish I&#039;d said all that. And I totally agree with that bit about &quot;trying to get it right from the start&quot;. Having a photograph come straight off-camera that doesn&#039;t require me to do anything to it at all has been a rare exception rather than the rule for me so far. Hitherto I&#039;ve generally at least had to tweak the white balance and very often the sharpness and saturation slightly as well. But I&#039;d always felt a bit guilty doing it, as though I were cheating in some way.
With the shackles of what I now see as a limited perspective removed I feel a much greater freedom to experiment and seek to render the finished product much closer to how I remember having seen the subject. Irritatingly though, I now find myself going back over older shots and berating myself for not having &quot;tweaked&quot; a bit more, or maybe cropped that annoying little branch that&#039;s crept into the frame and so on.
This is not to say though that I have any inclination to go over the top. And curiously I&#039;m finding that by allowing myself more extensive post-processing I&#039;m actually learning more about how to set the camera up to get a better shot to start with (I think, anyway!).

On another yet related matter... photography as art. This has been the topic of an off/on discussion/debate I&#039;ve had with a mate, emerging from which has come the realisation that I&#039;ve never really thought the issue through to any great extent, but have tended to not regard photography as art.
Having started to give some thought to it I find (typical me) that I think I&#039;m probably changing my opinion, and I have every intention to at some point in the not-too-distant future set pen to paper (um... finger to keyboard) and through the medium of a post here see if I can make some sense of my rather confused thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I wish I&#8217;d said all that. And I totally agree with that bit about &#8220;trying to get it right from the start&#8221;. Having a photograph come straight off-camera that doesn&#8217;t require me to do anything to it at all has been a rare exception rather than the rule for me so far. Hitherto I&#8217;ve generally at least had to tweak the white balance and very often the sharpness and saturation slightly as well. But I&#8217;d always felt a bit guilty doing it, as though I were cheating in some way.<br />
With the shackles of what I now see as a limited perspective removed I feel a much greater freedom to experiment and seek to render the finished product much closer to how I remember having seen the subject. Irritatingly though, I now find myself going back over older shots and berating myself for not having &#8220;tweaked&#8221; a bit more, or maybe cropped that annoying little branch that&#8217;s crept into the frame and so on.<br />
This is not to say though that I have any inclination to go over the top. And curiously I&#8217;m finding that by allowing myself more extensive post-processing I&#8217;m actually learning more about how to set the camera up to get a better shot to start with (I think, anyway!).</p>
<p>On another yet related matter&#8230; photography as art. This has been the topic of an off/on discussion/debate I&#8217;ve had with a mate, emerging from which has come the realisation that I&#8217;ve never really thought the issue through to any great extent, but have tended to not regard photography as art.<br />
Having started to give some thought to it I find (typical me) that I think I&#8217;m probably changing my opinion, and I have every intention to at some point in the not-too-distant future set pen to paper (um&#8230; finger to keyboard) and through the medium of a post here see if I can make some sense of my rather confused thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: forkboy1965</title>
		<link>http://fotdmike.com/2008/02/11/a-beginners-thoughts-on-post-processing/#comment-25</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your posting is quite a journey of thoughtful consideration and I think I agree with you in all matters as you have come to see them.  I too prefer to think of myself as a purist.  I prefer that any final image I construct is an accurate representation of what I saw or remember seeing with my own eyes.  Of course, this is not possible as memory is quite fallible.  

In support of your new found acceptance of post-processing consider all that one does during pre-processing or better put, the process one takes to frame, compose and set camera options before shooting the picture.  We utilize all sorts of devices and take advantage of all sorts of techniques to create the picture.  We use a flash to lift shadows or to simply make it possible to take a picture if it&#039;s too dark.  We make adjustments to aperture to change depth-of-field.  We change shutter speeds to add motion or to remove it. And with digital photography we can change sharpness, hue, saturation, sensitivity, white balance, etc. all in advance of pressing the shutter release.  I actually find it incredibly liberating as for the first time in my life I have been able to play with various settings and see the results immediately, which helps me ascertain what does and doesn&#039;t work under given circumstances.  In my film days I simply couldn&#039;t afford to pay for a roll of film and have it developed only to find a handful of useful pictures (and as you mention I would have no idea what the settings were that resulted in the good pictures!). 

While I abhor folks who say things like &quot;Don&#039;t worry about it.  I can fix that in post-processing.&quot;, because I believe one should strive to get the picture &#039;right&#039; from the start (and therefore not rely on software to fix what could have been done right to begin with), post-processing does have its place in photography in my opinion.  And this is certainly true when one views photography as art as opposed to the citizen journalist.

It&#039;s nice to see that other folks wrestle with the same issues as have I and perhaps more importantly come to the same conclusions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your posting is quite a journey of thoughtful consideration and I think I agree with you in all matters as you have come to see them.  I too prefer to think of myself as a purist.  I prefer that any final image I construct is an accurate representation of what I saw or remember seeing with my own eyes.  Of course, this is not possible as memory is quite fallible.  </p>
<p>In support of your new found acceptance of post-processing consider all that one does during pre-processing or better put, the process one takes to frame, compose and set camera options before shooting the picture.  We utilize all sorts of devices and take advantage of all sorts of techniques to create the picture.  We use a flash to lift shadows or to simply make it possible to take a picture if it&#8217;s too dark.  We make adjustments to aperture to change depth-of-field.  We change shutter speeds to add motion or to remove it. And with digital photography we can change sharpness, hue, saturation, sensitivity, white balance, etc. all in advance of pressing the shutter release.  I actually find it incredibly liberating as for the first time in my life I have been able to play with various settings and see the results immediately, which helps me ascertain what does and doesn&#8217;t work under given circumstances.  In my film days I simply couldn&#8217;t afford to pay for a roll of film and have it developed only to find a handful of useful pictures (and as you mention I would have no idea what the settings were that resulted in the good pictures!). </p>
<p>While I abhor folks who say things like &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry about it.  I can fix that in post-processing.&#8221;, because I believe one should strive to get the picture &#8216;right&#8217; from the start (and therefore not rely on software to fix what could have been done right to begin with), post-processing does have its place in photography in my opinion.  And this is certainly true when one views photography as art as opposed to the citizen journalist.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to see that other folks wrestle with the same issues as have I and perhaps more importantly come to the same conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dismayed, disheartened, discoffee tastes foul&#8230; &#171; Adventures of an Idiot - occasional notes of a photo freak</title>
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